737 MAX Grounded in Canada now (UPDATE: Now in US as Well)

"someassemblyrequired" (someassemblyrequired) 03/13/2019 at 13:00 • Filed to: If it's Boeing I'm not going?

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EDIT: US has followed Canada in grounding the 737 Max.

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Ends up being a quasi-ban for many parts of the US as well, as many flights to the midwest and transcontinental flights to the Pacific Northwest cross Canadian territory.

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CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > someassemblyrequired 03/13/2019 at 13:08

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I wonder if I can purchase cheap tix on 737 Max 8's.  Be the only dude flying to Maui in a new plane for cheap.

someassemblyrequired > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 03/13/2019 at 13:11

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meh just go on a nice 777 instead

DipodomysDeserti > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 03/13/2019 at 13:18

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Probably. Southwest just started flights to Hawaii, and they and Hawaiian Airlines have been dropping prices. I saw some sub $100 round trip flights from the Bay Area.

ttyymmnn > someassemblyrequired 03/13/2019 at 13:19

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I think the question now is, which countries haven’t banned the 737 MAX. Besides the US, of course.

Argentina

Australia

Austria

Belgium

Brazil

Bulgaria

Cayman Islands

China

Canada

Croatia

Cyprus

Czech Republic

Denmark

Estonia

Ethiopia

Finland

France

Germany

Greece

Hungary

Iceland

India

Indonesia

Ireland

Italy

Latvia

Liechtenstein

Lithuania

Luxembourg

Malaysia

Malta

Mexico

Mongolia

Morocco

Netherlands

Norway

Oman

Poland

Portugal

Romania

Singapore

Slovakia

Slovenia

South Africa

South Korea

Spain

Sweden

Switzerland

Turkey

United Kingdom

farscythe - makin da cawfee! > someassemblyrequired 03/13/2019 at 13:19

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interesting that america isnt grounding them for now

i wonder if thats coz boeing is an american company....

hope it doesnt bite them in the ass... i’d rather not see another one go down

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 03/13/2019 at 13:22

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You would think from Seatac or vancouver

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > farscythe - makin da cawfee! 03/13/2019 at 13:22

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Boeing is American yes, and the biggest operator of the plane is Southwest.

farscythe - makin da cawfee! > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 03/13/2019 at 13:26

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as said... hope it doesnt bite them in the ass

it probably wont.... but if you’re gonna ignore better safe than sorry.... welp*shrugs*

MUSASHI66 > someassemblyrequired 03/13/2019 at 13:26

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I know it’s a huge political issue and probably catastrophic event for Boeing shares and Southwest scheduling, but I think it’s only a matter of time before FAA demands grounding them as well in US airspace. 

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > someassemblyrequired 03/13/2019 at 13:26

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Bluff has been called, Boeing get your shit together.

ZHP Sparky, the 5th > someassemblyrequired 03/13/2019 at 13:27

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Getting pretty glaring that the US is going out of its way to NOT ground these planes until we know more.

Given that Boeing has been actively lobbying the president it doesn’t leave me with the greatest level of comfort (also knowing how horribly inept the Secretary of Transportation is).

Add to that the fact that Secretary of Defense (unrelated in job capacity, I know) is a Boeing veteran the company seems to have a few good ears in the administration that might be willing to help them curry up some favor, over doing what is actually best for the safety of US citizens.

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > someassemblyrequired 03/13/2019 at 13:28

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To clarify I would have no issues flying a Max 8 if operated by a US based carrier.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 03/13/2019 at 13:29

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Vancouver WA’s a little far and Vancouver, BC would mean the ban was in force.

I usually fly out of Bellingham if I am travelling.

Spanfeller is a twat > ttyymmnn 03/13/2019 at 13:32

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DGAC didn't ban the 737 yet, it's Aeromexico

WilliamsSW > ttyymmnn 03/13/2019 at 13:33

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Besides the US, I think a lot of the countries that haven’t banned it just don’t have much need to - like Russia. I’m sure Russia has some overflights, and neighboring countries that operate them in and out, but I don’t think any Russian carriers are operating them.

someassemblyrequired > ttyymmnn 03/13/2019 at 13:40

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One Canadian operator parked them last night, prior to the ban.  Something is obviously not right.

someassemblyrequired > farscythe - makin da cawfee! 03/13/2019 at 13:41

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Yeah Canadian officials said there were too many parallels with the first crash, and also Ethopian’s CEO commented today they had updated its training and manuals after the first incident. So either the training didn’t take, or there’s multiple issues.

someassemblyrequired > MUSASHI66 03/13/2019 at 13:43

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It’s probably coming, but given the Trump factor and his man-crush on the Boeing CEO, it may not happen even if the plane is unsafe.

WilliamsSW > someassemblyrequired 03/13/2019 at 13:43

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Bring back the Good Boeing airplanes!

ttyymmnn > someassemblyrequired 03/13/2019 at 13:44

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During his news conference, [Transport Minister] Garneau said that on Wednesday morning officials and experts compared satellite tracing data showing the vertical path of the Ethiopian jet at take off with similar data from the Lion Air crash in October.

Mr. Garneau, a former astronaut and engineer, said that there were similarities that “exceed a certain threshold in our minds with respect to the possible cause of what happened in Ethiopia. This is not conclusive, but it is something that points possibly in that direction, and at this point we feel that threshold has been crossed.” ( New York Times )

someassemblyrequired > ZHP Sparky, the 5th 03/13/2019 at 13:45

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Yep, given the Boeing influence on the administration, I wouldn’t call the FAA an impartial arbiter of safety at the moment.

someassemblyrequired > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 03/13/2019 at 13:47

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Fair enough, but I’ve definitely seen enough that I would be sizing up the flight crew from the jetway and deciding if I needed to take a different flight.

someassemblyrequired > ttyymmnn 03/13/2019 at 13:54

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Interesting last line in Air Canada’s press release (bolding mine) :

MONTREAL, March 13, 2019 ­– Air Canada confirmed today that it will comply immediately with Transport Canada’s safety notice closing Canadian airspace to Boeing 737 MAX aircraft operations until further notice.

Air Canada’s cancellation and rebooking policies are in place with full fee waiver for affected customers. We are working to rebook impacted customers as soon as possible but given the magnitude of our 737 MAX operations which on average carry nine to twelve thousand customers per day, customers can expect delays in rebooking and in reaching Air Canada call centres and we appreciate our customers’ patience.

Customers are further advised to check the status of their flight on aircanada.com prior to going to the airport.

We fully support this decision and will continue to work with Transport Canada towards resolution of this situation as soon as possible.

ZHP Sparky, the 5th > farscythe - makin da cawfee! 03/13/2019 at 14:10

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It’s an American company, and they have some pretty tight connections with the US leadership right now. So it’s definitely pretty suspect in my mind.

farscythe - makin da cawfee! > ZHP Sparky, the 5th 03/13/2019 at 14:15

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yeah.. thats pretty much what i was suggesting... i guess i worded that poorly

AestheticsInMotion > DipodomysDeserti 03/13/2019 at 14:15

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Those were sold out within a few hours :(

Now they're all priced in line with the competition. Ask me how I know

MUSASHI66 > someassemblyrequired 03/13/2019 at 14:59

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You were saying?

https://oppositelock.kinja.com/the-737-max-has-been-grounded-by-president-trump-1833270077

someassemblyrequired > MUSASHI66 03/13/2019 at 15:15

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I’m frankly shocked, I gotta admit